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The best answers are voted up and rise to the top. Home Questions Tags Users Unanswered. If only the Sith deal in absolutes, why does Obi-Wan say it that way? Ask Question. Asked 7 years, 7 months ago. Active 1 year ago. Viewed k times. Obviously, Obi-Wan is a secret Sith. Obi-Wan was the most awesome of the Sith! Wouldn't Yoda's "Do or do not, there is no try" be an absolute statement? Waite Jul 16 '13 at This is the same kind of spurious circular logic that a lot of right-wingers use when they say "Your intolerance of my intolerance shows that your message of tolerance is hypocritical!
One can imagine the following, more elegant exchange: Anakin : In the circumstances surrounding loyalty, fealty and overall alignment of purpose and action, one is either of entirely one mind with the person so referred to by the practice of the perpendicular pronoun, or one must be said to be in a state colloquially referred to as being "at odds". Aaron Hall 1 1 silver badge 9 9 bronze badges.
Chris B. Behrens Chris B. Behrens Your dialog would actually make the film worse. Wikis - Diet Coke officially spat onto the monitor. Behrens Dec 21 '11 at I just finished my first draft Behrens Dec 22 '11 at There was a great British comedy series, "Yes, Minister", that specialized in this kind of humor.
Some of the phrases and definitely the general tenor of it are lifted directly from some of the filibustery speeches that one of the characters regularly delivers. Behrens Oct 19 '12 at I suppose that your proposed "more elegant exchange" between Anakin and Obi-Wan occurs in a mansion's library, both sitting, drinking cognac, and smoking pipes don't forget the tiger rug. That scene was actually there to express how Obi-wan was a hypocrite. Again, another subtle theme packed into the story. I kinda like this answer, but I don't think this is the message that Lucas wanted to convey. I agree with your opinion, but it's not likely that's what george lucas meant.
Aug 4 '12 at I think that's exactly the point of the story. Sith vs Jedi, endless cycle, right or wrong, greater good or freedom. Cycle again. Jul 7 '13 at I feel like you are giving Lucas to much credit by giving it subtle undertones that weren't intended. Although I like your explanation. Everyone deals in absolutes throughout the saga - - Luke: "That's not true!
Our cruisers CAN'T repel firepower of that magnitude!
Hope that's helpful. FoxMan FoxMan 3, 19 19 silver badges 22 22 bronze badges. Considering Obi Wan attacked Anakin immediately after uttering those words, I would say he's dealing in absolutes too. Reply to This topic. March 6, PM. March 6, PM edited March 6. Funny how they nerfed Captain Phasma's Droid stun but then add a hero that can keep you in a near perma stun state as he beats you into pudding By pressing a button.
It keeps enemies in a perpetual stun state while doing around damage with the right star card load out more if either of the 2 attacks hit the enemies' back. Because Pull initiates the combo, it can't be avoided reliably by Boba, Boskk, Iden, Maul, Palpatine, or Phasma since none of them have a block and can only avoid the pull with a lucky well timed dodge. If we went with your logic He already received his nerf. Add more Extraction and SA maps please! Damn hopefully you guys dont notice Gen G's thrust followed by unrelenting advance and then claw rush combo Maybe it's because you're so used to using Iden that you forgot how to use wall cover like the heroes are forced to do.
Or maybe you're a Boba Fett. A Bossk who can sit behind ever recharging mines while the previous ones were set, spamming dioxis and headshots that do like - damage while your healrh recharges Solution: get gud Avoid the pull as you would Kylo.
I've already used the tree and rockline as a Boba Fett to make Anakin miss 4 pulls. If you can't do that, oh well The only characters I'd complain about it for, are Palpatine and Maul. Revenge of the Sith circles, underlines, and stamps how out of touch the Jedi are when the evil Palpatine goads Anakin into murdering an "unarmed" Dooku, cut to an hour later into the film when the thoroughly unlikable but supposedly heroic Mace Windu uses the exact same defense when attempting to give Palpatine himself a similar treatment. Even the original sequels deconstructed the flawless knight image of the Jedi a bit by showing them as manipulative liars for a good cause, but still and having Luke eventually beat the Emperor by ignoring everything the Jedi told him about Vader's incapability of redemption.
For a lot of prequel fans, defending them entails taking a complaint and saying "the original did that too", as if two wrongs make a right. For instance, "It's okay that Anakin was a whiny tool shed, because power converters". However, in this case, "the originals did it too" holds some water. They just sound better because you first heard them when you were six. The thing is, though, they are all supposed to be cheesy sounding. If you've ever sat through a six hour long interview of George Lucas drolling on in his flannel shirts, you probably know that the series is based on old Saturday morning matinee serials with similar b-movie names.
One of such was even called The Phantom Empire.
There is also some confusion over what the titles actually mean. Hayden Christensen has turned in decent performances in a few indie movies, but the unspeakable dialogue and "is that green screen upright? He is also the poshest, most elitist sounding former slave-turned-sand-hating-warrior you will ever meet. So this is not to defend Christensen himself, but to defend the variety of blonde, twenty-something pretty boy actors that could have done a fine job in the role.
For all of the lies and half-truths and certain points of views he told Luke, the one part of Obi-Wan's story that always remained the same was that Vader was his young pupil when he turned to the dark side.
This is the Enterprise: a big circle with a porch. Xeowulf posted EVEN for a starwars debate thread. His master was Sith, too. It wasnt so much an absolute as it was the truth. Flip Through Images. Heck your name is not even your own, it was given.
The actor in the Vader outfit was in his forties throughout the trilogy, and moved around like such. The character was revealed to have fathered twenty-something year old twins.
All of this leading up to the moment when Luke takes the mask off and we see a dude pushing eighty. Perhaps Lucas and co thought we wouldn't notice actor Sebastian Shaw's advanced age behind the burn make-up and force ghost haze.
Maybe Vader was dramatically younger up until five minutes before casting him. There's also the prevailing theory that the dark side ages the user, sort of like meth. But everything but Shaw himself points to Christensen's age being about right.